tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821098719340852065.post2181581790793558851..comments2024-03-25T09:31:36.926+01:00Comments on Furahan Biology and Allied Matters: Centaurism IISigmund Nastrazzurrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16449461215427527447noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821098719340852065.post-86169957737723795502021-08-01T20:11:05.471+02:002021-08-01T20:11:05.471+02:00i think an animal thats either arboreal or aereal ...i think an animal thats either arboreal or aereal might develop manipulation in a second or thrid pair of limbs depending on posture, kind of like the bat descendants from after man, or even parrots, you could call it psitaccinismHortomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11644251442723193912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821098719340852065.post-43634471772861728452013-07-14T04:40:12.509+02:002013-07-14T04:40:12.509+02:00No problem, I'm a long-term communicator. :)
...No problem, I'm a long-term communicator. :)<br /><br />The wiki is trying to clean itself up, delete implausible fan organisms, label whether organisms are canon and where they come from, and actually write a series of articles on biology at large. It is still kind of a mess but far less of one than a few months ago.<br /><br />How about an article not making any direct us of your post, paraphrasing a little bit of it but mainly using other examples and ideas, and also citing your post as the source? Would that be OK?Daniel Demskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08714941811085673416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821098719340852065.post-32568863019704112942013-07-09T20:00:13.768+02:002013-07-09T20:00:13.768+02:00Daniel: I was simply too busy to respond earlier....Daniel: I was simply too busy to respond earlier. thinking about the subject of a Wiki some more, I think my hesitation has two sources: the first is a fear that my hard-earned knowledge appears elsewhere without references, making it appear as common knowledge. That is the eventual fate of all discoveries, but I would prefer to have that happen to my work later rather than sooner. <br /> The second hesitation had to do with this particular Wiki, which gives the impression that it is based on fan fiction of just one project, 'The Future is Wild'. That is fine for fans of that project, but the setting is not one I personally feel at home with.Sigmund Nastrazzurrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16449461215427527447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821098719340852065.post-32808323355425463472013-07-02T13:57:38.212+02:002013-07-02T13:57:38.212+02:00I suppose that’s true; at the moment this is a pri...I suppose that’s true; at the moment this is a private conversation. But it’s being held in a public place and I tend to think that if I’ve found something, other people may well do the same. And I’m OK with conversations which occur over the span of a decade, they can still be useful.<br /><br />Your response regarding the wiki surprises me a little, but of course that’s why I asked, isn’t it? :) My position agrees with yours when I am writing something as an individual, but to me wikis are understood to be a conglomeration of different voices (ideally some sort of consensus) so as long as it’s OK with the author, pasting in material and modifying it (or not, as appropriate) is fine. Of course, Wikipedia itself requests contributors paraphrase from sources, not copy and paste, which is definitely what I stick with and what I was intending regarding this post.<br /><br />My interest in the Speculative Evolution wiki is easily explained, if a bit naïve. I’ve toyed around with ideas on how to ‘properly’ design aliens for years, saw Alien Planet a couple of years ago, but only a few days ago, seeing The Future is Wild, did I realize there was anything else out there. Since Wikia sites show up high in google results, it was one of the first things I ran into and it seemed as good a place as any to put my own thoughts on the matter. I’ll look into the backlash you mentioned though.Daniel Demskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08714941811085673416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821098719340852065.post-82655806786787759722013-06-28T23:58:19.086+02:002013-06-28T23:58:19.086+02:00Daniel, commenting on a four-year old post is prob...Daniel, commenting on a four-year old post is probably equal to a private conversation with the blog owner. I do agree that old posts are there for a purpose, but that purpose is probably a one-way communication from author to reader. <br /><br />I am aware of 'Diptera'; their very name reveals that something happened to one pair of their wings.<br /><br />You seem to like my old posts, which is nice. Nevertheless, I am a scientist by profession and prefer the rules that govern quotations: a single sentence or phrasing a sentence encapsulating a conclusion may be quoted followed by a reference; quoting larger sections raises eyebrows even when referenced, and quoting without referring to the source is simply wrong. <br /> If you write something quoting me as the source of 'centaurism' in this context that is proper. Whether 'adapting' my post is proper depends on what you mean by that. Copying is never acceptable.<br /> <br />Wasn't there a backlash against the Speculative Media Wiki on the Spec biology forum a while ago? I did not follow that discussion in detail, but am wary. What is your interest in that Wiki? <br />Sigmund Nastrazzurrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16449461215427527447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821098719340852065.post-86142681279146873202013-06-28T09:37:11.720+02:002013-06-28T09:37:11.720+02:00Heh, I comment on years-old blog posts all the tim...Heh, I comment on years-old blog posts all the time. They're repositories of knowledge after all.<br /><br />After reading the post I was going to mention those arboreal creatures as well. But another possible example, wandering far away from the usual image of centaurs, would be flies. Their rear pair of wings has become a tiny sensor pair used in flight.<br /><br />I wonder if you would mind if I tried to adapt this post into an article on the Speculative Evolution wiki?<br /><br />I recall one book on evolution stating that generally speaking, evolution moves in the direction of either specializing limbs or reducing their number over time.Daniel Demskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08714941811085673416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821098719340852065.post-79249603838401754382010-02-09T22:53:23.105+01:002010-02-09T22:53:23.105+01:00Hi BioBassist (now what does that mean, I wonder)?...Hi BioBassist (now what does that mean, I wonder)?<br /><br />I am glad you like the blog; thanks. <br /><br />You're commenting on a post almost a year old, did you realise that? As the author I receive notification of that, but I doubt anyone else does. <br /><br />First of all, thanks again, this time for noting the new front page. Secondly, no, the middle and hind legs of these animals are generic limbs, in this animal mostly used to cling to tree trunks and stems. They use their jaws to handle food, which in their case largely boils down to killing it....Sigmund Nastrazzurrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16449461215427527447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821098719340852065.post-595472217203854202010-02-09T22:34:31.944+01:002010-02-09T22:34:31.944+01:00First of all awesome blog. As for rear legs being ...First of all awesome blog. As for rear legs being centaurised is that what you are trying to do with those arboreal primate things on the home page? It appears the front limbs are for locomotion and the lower two limbs are for handling food and other items of interestTheBioBassisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07581666867141480104noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821098719340852065.post-7287663634787292292009-03-22T05:00:00.000+01:002009-03-22T05:00:00.000+01:00Quite interesting.Since you asked, I agree that th...Quite interesting.<BR/><BR/>Since you asked, I agree that the centipede solution holds water - don't some of the rear legs function as "rear antennae" rather than load-bearing structures?<BR/><BR/>Or, modifying a stegosaurus, turn a kicking pair of hind legs into something purely anti-predator defense. (which, on an island species, would become something for display purposes)<BR/><BR/>just some thoughts. keep up the good work!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821098719340852065.post-34928775399498506922009-03-12T11:06:00.000+01:002009-03-12T11:06:00.000+01:00Hi Steven,You are absolutely right: I had thought ...Hi Steven,<BR/><BR/>You are absolutely right: I had thought of the praying mantis when I started thinking about the subject, but forgot it later. By the way, mantids were not the inspiration for Furahan neocarnivores; mantis shrimps were (stomatopods). A fine point, I admit.<BR/><BR/>Interesting thing about the earwig; I will see if I can find anything on it.<BR/><BR/>Maximilian (Sigmund's twin)<BR/><BR/>PS: I will get back to you in a few days regarding The Epona ProjectMaximilian Nastrazzurrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09377399861163579280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5821098719340852065.post-7364413659735689682009-03-12T03:51:00.000+01:002009-03-12T03:51:00.000+01:00The best example I can think of for "centaurisatio...The best example I can think of for "centaurisation" would be the mantis. I really am surprised that it wasn't mentioned! (But I admit that it was my favorite beastie in grade school, so I am admittedly biased.)<BR/><BR/>As for rear limbs being centaurised, there is the possibility of both the earwig and centipede. Both have pincer-like limbs that could have been legs at some point in the past (I don't know enough entomology to be sure, though). <BR/><BR/>By the way, I really like your blog. Now that I know it exists, I am going to be visiting often!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com